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Post by AveoSam on Nov 12, 2005 21:33:34 GMT -5
i think he is referring to the noise that ur plastic mani will make when u turbo it
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Denis
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Post by Denis on Nov 13, 2005 6:58:50 GMT -5
chefgold wtf? did you just have a spazam? Today at work the Aveo we have in our R&D lab got the first fittament for the 2.5" manderel Bent cat back exhaust, as well as a Prototype Turbo mani. I think if We(GM) were going to release a Aveo SS/ Xtreme, it would be turboed not Supercharged. then it would not be aveo ss
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chefgold
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Post by chefgold on Nov 13, 2005 7:15:57 GMT -5
2000-3000$ for 50 Hp what a flippin joke. Buy a real car for gods sake. worked heads and some shadbolt cams will get 20-30Hp for 500$. leaves 2500 for whatever.....Yup lets all spend close to 50% of our bluebook value on a 2lb boost Whooptiy flippin doo. and yes BOOM to alot of parts you are not thinking about. Theres alot more then fried pistons on the horizon....
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Post by AveoSam on Nov 13, 2005 22:59:04 GMT -5
doesnt ss stand for supersport? im pretty sure a turboed car is kinda supersport..it doesnt have to be supercharged it just happens that all previous ss's are supercharged because that like the american car company thing to do....but i thing it should be called Type-X or Type-R or something like that.....and yes that much money for 50 hp is a laugh...i to want a fast car but if its gonna cost that much for 50 hp ill buy a dif car
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Post by squirrleyrage on Nov 14, 2005 7:01:50 GMT -5
And what would the difference in price be? What's the difference in power?
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Post by watrboy821 on Nov 14, 2005 9:46:08 GMT -5
yeah ss just implies performance, my dad has an ss chevelle and it isnt supercharged haha its just fast.
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Post by AveoSam on Nov 14, 2005 11:19:43 GMT -5
And what would the difference in price be? What's the difference in power? well chevy would drop a 2.0 or 1.8 L turbo in it
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Post by squirrleyrage on Nov 14, 2005 11:44:34 GMT -5
Price difference and power gain?
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Post by TheAmazingJ on Jan 7, 2006 22:16:46 GMT -5
im going to think turbo onthis one, because a good turbo system can be built, piece at a time, where as a super charger costs about 1500-3000 by itself. also turbosystems seem more flexible, as they can be configured, one piece at a time for YOUR car, not just every aveo, so part placement is up to the tuner. also with a turbo, it seems easier to grow with your car, so to speak, where the more you build the motor, the better parts you can get, so better pistons, better fuel managment, bigger turbo, bigger intercooler, that kinda thing, plus no one currently makes a supercharger just for the aveo, so we would have to wait for development, after a reputable manufacturer decides to make it. turbo kits can be sourced immediately, by anyone who knows what requirements the cars has. not only that, but in recent years, much light has been made of turbo lag, and everyone seems scared of it but in reality, your car dosent go any slower, during the lag period, it just performs as a car without a turbo would, and its only for a moment, then it takes off. having owned sevral turbo cars, i can say this and if u build your motor properly, then having turbo "lag" wont be a big deal because it should be minimal. ideally, i've read, you should build an efficiant N/A motor, THEN turbo it, so that when you experiance lag, it wont be a big deal, because you already have a built motor to start with, so theres power there off the line, and when the turbo starts making positive boost, the power will increase greatly from there. and besides, if your not doing to do a monster build up, then the turbos and boost levels used (IE: small mitsu turbo perhaps?, maybe 7psi?? give or take with a *mostly* stock fuel system --see: proper fuel mgmnt, lol-- ) should be small enough that any lag you experiance should be minimal at best. just my 2 cents ;D im not railing on superchagers, but unless you go rotrex (3000$ ish, i think) then theres not much available and you can mod superchargers, but seems like more trouble than its worth, although i have never owned an s/c car... any thoughts?? ;D
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Post by stangbro01 on Feb 16, 2006 20:51:53 GMT -5
how do you guys boost a speed density car? get a chip burnt? i had to convert my mustang to mass air to run turbo or any kind of bigger fuel system....im kinda new to this aveo thing and i would say turbo anyday over a supercharger, turbo lag is so overkill, a properly sized turbo will make full boost at 2500rpm and make more power with less boost, plus a turbo kit would be a cake install on a aveo.
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Post by AveoSam on Feb 16, 2006 22:26:16 GMT -5
and i would say turbo anyday over a supercharger, turbo lag is so overkill, a properly sized turbo will make full boost at 2500rpm and make more power with less boost, plus a turbo kit would be a cake install on a aveo. amen....turbo lag is often exaggerated
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Post by Cameron on Feb 17, 2006 3:29:01 GMT -5
First off I want to point out that I'm not a pro, second off there is absolutly nothing wrong for asking questions( no matter how many or stupiod they might seem), it's better to ask to much than to little. Thirdly, i'm certain denis just wanted to enlighten his knowledge of both turbos and supers.
most of us know whats involved to properly add forced induction (of any kind), But has anyone here ever thought the chasis can handle it? I know you can reinforce it, but sometimes you need to get exessive with it. exampl: 85-87 Corolla GT-S (ae86) 140 hp before chasis flex is noticeable, 82-86.5 Supra (ma 67) can handle 500 hp, before it's noticeable. and theres just a few 100 lbs difference between the chasis.
when i did my research for F/I (forced induction)i looked at more than just power gains and torque curves, like previous posts in this section it depends on your aplication.if your just looking for mild gains super it. there is less maintenance on it ( no cool down time). the turbo on the other hand is alot easier, more plausible choice, however if you dont warm and cool it properly, you can end up with some serious issues (turbo timer solves this for cool down).
denis, I don't know if that echo super will do much for the aveo. the echo has a 1.3 litre vvtl-i (intake and exhaust valve timing). and your aveo is 1.6 E-tech (v-tech).
if you are a looking for small gains, wich in this case you're gonna want anyways because of compresion ratio, i suggest finding a turbo out of a chrysler 2.0 or 2.2 litre (lebaron, New yorker, 600,etc...mid to late 80's). They are small turbos and cheap. you can always install a beafier impeller later if you wish to increase the bosst slightly more than these turbos are designed for.
There's my two cents. (I'm Canadian so it's like 1 cent for the Americans)lol
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Post by exodus on Feb 17, 2006 6:46:38 GMT -5
e-tech has nothing to do with v-tec (there's no "H"). It's just stamped on the motor so people think it means something... I suppose it could mean the variable intake geometry.
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Post by stangbro01 on Feb 28, 2006 1:35:42 GMT -5
most of us know whats involved to properly add forced induction (of any kind), But has anyone here ever thought the chasis can handle it? I know you can reinforce it, but sometimes you need to get exessive with it. exampl: 85-87 Corolla GT-S (ae86) 140 hp before chasis flex is noticeable, 82-86.5 Supra (ma 67) can handle 500 hp, before it's noticeable. and theres just a few 100 lbs difference between the chasis. i really dont think a turbo aveo will make or handle enough power to overwelm the chassis... but i do know it would be a really fun car.
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Post by AveoSam on Feb 28, 2006 13:08:44 GMT -5
i wouldnt be too sure of that....the aveo is an econo box and the chasis wasnt built to handle any power at all seeing as they use the least amount of materials they could that would support the little power the aveo makes therefore making the car cheap which the aveo is. a turboed aveo can make well over 200 hp if done right with the right mods.
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