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Post by watrboy821 on Nov 15, 2005 12:32:27 GMT -5
OK lets start with the exhaust, if you put an exhaust on a car and net 20-30hp, you are jesus. Anyway on a 1.6l with a 2.5" exhaust system, there wont be a gain from a mandrel bent, simply because a 1.6l does not need that 2.5" exhaust so the flow in an bend doesn't really matter in an oversized pipe. HP gains from ignition is the biggest bullnuts story i have ever heard so dont bring that up. CAI will not net much of a gain, look at many of the K&N fipks, they on some cars(rare occasions) net 7-8 hp on a dyno, but that is at the flywheel with no acc. So at the wheel they might get you what like 4-5 hp tops. Just stop this nonsense, I understand the want to make your car faster but it is not going to happen with bolt on modifications. You could spend plenty of money on exhaust, intake, ignition, and pulleys and not net much of a gain at the wheels(where it counts). I am not saying it is totally worthless to put these mods on, i am just telling you the numbers you are putting on them are ridiculously high expectations. So go ahead and put all this nuts on and prove me wrong, a header may be the only thing that can gain you a decent amount of power, so i suggest trying that. There's no replacement for displacement, other than forced induction.
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Post by deltamotor on Nov 15, 2005 15:36:15 GMT -5
Child, there are so many inconsistencies in your post that it's hardly worth even responding. You obviously have not seen, first hand, the performance results of modifications to a four cylinder's top end as well as it's exhaust. I recommend looking in your phone book and finding the nearest Dyno facility. They will be all too happy to set you straight.
One thing; I don't recommend approaching those Dyno boys with the childish attitude you've displayed here. They might strap you to a wheel roller and laugh as it sands your posterior. lol.
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Post by watrboy821 on Nov 15, 2005 16:03:22 GMT -5
I try not to judge a person by there age, old man. You don't know anything about me or how much experience I have with cars, I have seen performance with 4 cylinder cars, and I know that an exhaust will not help the performance in the numbers you speak. I have seen plenty of dyno runs and i know just by the results of them that there is no 20-30 hp gain with an exhaust system, especially on a 4 cylinder. No you will not see those numbers from those mods, I call shenanigans. And seriously don't call me a child, just because I am 18 doesn't mean I lack experience. I helped my dad with the restoration of one of his 67 corvettes; I replaced the motor, tranny and front suspension on my Bravada, and have grown up around cars, dont judge me off of this forum.
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Post by watrboy821 on Nov 15, 2005 16:04:47 GMT -5
Oh and by the way I have been at a dyno testing at my dad's friends corvette shop and they don't see me as having a childish attitude. So take your smart ass post and shove it up your ass
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Post by AveoSam on Nov 15, 2005 16:24:30 GMT -5
Child, there are so many inconsistencies in your post that it's hardly worth even responding. You obviously have not seen, first hand, the performance results of modifications to a four cylinder's top end as well as it's exhaust. I recommend looking in your phone book and finding the nearest Dyno facility. They will be all too happy to set you straight. One thing; I don't recommend approaching those Dyno boys with the childish attitude you've displayed here. They might strap you to a wheel roller and laugh as it sands your posterior. lol. ok I ll believe you as soon as you show me these result dude. like serious you havent shown us one bit of evidence...like i could sit here all day and preach to the people on this forum about hp numbers and make number up, but u need some kind of proof too. I too have grown up around cars, seeing as my dad is automachanic and bodywork speacialist. he's restored one of watrboy's dad's vettes. oh yes and ive watch and helped my dad put a supercharged 350 engine in his s10 blazer(with custom sidepipe exhaust)....and he said you wont get gains like that from an exhaust
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Post by AveoSam on Nov 15, 2005 16:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by Lonewolf20 on Nov 15, 2005 19:24:28 GMT -5
well d@mn then if we go by that page you guys with the lowered aveos should have an extra 20-30hp at the wheels ROFL
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Post by watrboy821 on Nov 15, 2005 19:30:25 GMT -5
I think the big tachometer one is probably the best. haha
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Post by Lonewolf20 on Nov 15, 2005 20:11:40 GMT -5
nah the sticker one is the best because I can slap like 50 stickers onto my car and gain like 150hp hahaha
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Post by watrboy821 on Nov 15, 2005 20:35:52 GMT -5
yeah the k&n sticker is a good one haha
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Post by AveoSam on Nov 15, 2005 20:49:12 GMT -5
no a dohc on a sohc car
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Post by exodus on Nov 16, 2005 14:39:40 GMT -5
Who cares, the stage IV kalos won't come to america. The homogolated rally versions never come to america. We get stuck with the orange juicety 2.5l models of the STi and evolutions. From ford all we got is the focus SVT. Peugeot, citroen, and skoda don't even release cars here at all anymore.
IT'S CRAP! I DEMAND A COSWORTH TUNED FOCUS, XR4Ti, OR ESCORT!
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Post by Brian5475E on Nov 16, 2005 21:02:53 GMT -5
OMG didn't realize so many people knew very little about cars. Oh yeah check out the 03-04 Focus with the 2.3 Duratec. It will whip the SVT in power. I know because my cousin has one. We put a K&N typhoon intake, and a 2.5" cat back with removal of 2nd cat and a bigger flex pipe. he is putting 168 to the wheels. And if your gonna tell someone they are wrong do some research 1st. (Deltamotor) Sounds like a bunch of 16 year olds that don't know what the hell they are talking about. Your not gonna get a 20 -30 HP increase with a cat back. not on this small of a displacement. another thing mandrel bent means a perfect bend where the pipe size is the same through out the bend. And mandrel bending is a waste of money unless you are planning a High PSI turbo setup that needs good exhaust flow. Just throwing $$ out the window. This engine needs machining to get some power out of it. I've done the exhaust - the header and intake, and U/D lightweight crank pulley, and torque straps, and fuel mods, with upgraded wires and spark plugs, and I've maybe, I say maybe gained about 10 HP if I am lucky. An engine is a air pump, the more and faster you can pump air through it, the more power you create. For the 1.6 you need to boost it, or get some head work done (port and polish, oversized valves, cams), with a header and a new intake manifold.and bigger TB also a standalone or pippyback that can control timing. ther you should be able to get this engine into the 140 - 150 Hp range. Might want to put some high comp pistons say 10:1 or 10.5:1. anything higher and your not gonna want to drive it all the time. just my $.02
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Post by AveoSam on Nov 16, 2005 21:49:03 GMT -5
i know u wont get 20-30 hp gains from at catback thats wat i was trying to tell deltamotor
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Post by snowdog on Nov 17, 2005 10:46:52 GMT -5
what up with that left tail light? Rear fog light, standard option on a lot of cars in Europe. In fog you turn it on and it burns brighter than the tailights letting people behind you see you sooner.
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