Denis
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Post by Denis on Aug 7, 2006 7:44:12 GMT -5
ok, we all know that out car goes 70-0 in 200ft, what im wondering is what are way of making it stop faster? would ceramic brake pads help, how about better rotors?
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Post by Nemasys on Aug 7, 2006 8:34:56 GMT -5
Well drilled and slotted rotors with high performance pads will work, a lighter car should also stop faster.
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Post by AveoSam on Aug 7, 2006 9:44:36 GMT -5
;D custom big brake kits with rear disc brakes
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Denis
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Post by Denis on Aug 7, 2006 14:42:18 GMT -5
so you get better braking power if you increace rotor size?
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Post by AveoSam on Aug 7, 2006 14:45:43 GMT -5
yea you increase rotor size when your going to make more power...big brake kit and rear disc would be over kill on a stock aveo
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Post by exodus on Aug 7, 2006 16:41:40 GMT -5
Drilled rotors: Pointless on automotive rotors. The only time I could see this actually being of benefit is on a motorcycle in which the rotor is so thin that the increased airflow is required. On an automotive rotor you're reducing the surface area in which the heat has to disipate, and is completely counter productive in my eyes.
Slotted rotors: Will dig into the pads helping existing systems minimally (cheapest solution)
Bigger rotors: Increased surface area means better heat disipation. Without bigger pads, you won't be increasing braking power.
Bigger pads: The biggest factor in stopping power. More friction surface means increased stopping power.
Dual+ piston calipers: Unless the pads are bigger, I don't believe this would provide any noticable improvements over stock.
A "big brake kit" is only worth it in certain situations. Without some serious tires, the brakes are still going to lock up relatively early. Circuit track situations are the only time I could see these kits being of use. In drag, whytf would you bother? For rally, you're locking the wheels and sliding around anyways, so why bother?
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Denis
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Post by Denis on Aug 7, 2006 19:25:06 GMT -5
so can we just put biger pads on out stock brake system?
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Post by exodus on Aug 7, 2006 21:27:29 GMT -5
If they sit in the caliper properly... sure.... finding a pad that has a larger surface area and will fit... doubtful.
For clarification: When I say larger, I mean more surface area... not thicker or anything silly like that
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Denis
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Post by Denis on Aug 8, 2006 7:00:09 GMT -5
A "big brake kit" is only worth it in certain situations. Without some serious tires, the brakes are still going to lock up relatively early. Circuit track situations are the only time I could see these kits being of use. In drag, whytf would you bother? For rally, you're locking the wheels and sliding around anyways, so why bother? the way im thinking, it will just make the car safer, plus you can go faster if you know that you will need less room to stop. another way of making a car stop faster is lowering the rolling weight (wheels/tires) im just wondering if it would be posible to make our car stop 70-0 in say 150-160ft? |
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Post by subachad on Aug 8, 2006 10:25:31 GMT -5
It takes a little more than you realize to fade the brakes on the aveo. It took me 3 50+mph stops on a pretty steep hill before the brakes started to smoke and fade.
If you want to lower the stopping distance, you need to keep as much weight from transfering forward by lowering for example. You also need a tire with better grip than the stock tires.
Braking from 100-80 for turn 1 at willow springs and from 75-20 I can tell you the brakes are sufficient for the amount of power the Aveo is currently producing and the stopping distances are quite good.
The next track I'm going to puts a little more heat into the brakes so I might change my mind after.
Chad
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Post by exodus on Aug 8, 2006 12:03:59 GMT -5
Agreed. I never had any fade problems until I came through the blue ridge mountains to where I currently live. I believe it was only because I was driving rather agressively.
I don't think you should ever experience fade in regular driving conditions on these brakes.
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Post by y2daniel1981 on Aug 12, 2006 11:37:59 GMT -5
you all are over looking the biggest factor in braking, tires. Rotors, lines, pads, etc will only do so much, but the biggest factor is tires since they have the contact with the ground
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Post by exodus on Aug 12, 2006 12:16:40 GMT -5
Should be a given
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Post by subachad on Aug 14, 2006 10:12:43 GMT -5
I have 195/60/14 Azenis 615's, but yes tires are very important which is why I went with the stickiest street tire, short of r-compound
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Post by Denis on Aug 15, 2006 6:57:35 GMT -5
I have 195/60/14 Azenis 615's, but yes tires are very important which is why I went with the stickiest street tire, short of r-compound is there a down side to thouse tires? i asume that they are soft like real rubber, and not plastic-like out stocks are |
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