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Post by khan4rtist on Oct 10, 2006 22:54:39 GMT -5
i think that swapping a 2.2 ecotec would be better than swapping any daewoo crap, daewoo makes cheap stuff, i broke my tranny 6 weeks after buying my car new from the dealer, the ecotec already has a turbo kit out and some other tuning stuff and combined with the getrag tranny from a chevy cavalier (03-04)would be perfect! i used to have a 04 cavalier and boy does the getrag transmission work wonders! it was fast as heck. im going to consider this swap once i save up enough money which will probably be by next summer.
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Post by AveoSam on Oct 11, 2006 9:33:49 GMT -5
IMO your opinion about the ecotec being the best swap is based on blurred facts.....anything you swap into the aveo you are going to want be opel or opel based even if its something in a daewoo...plus its not the drvietrain that is bad, its the other stuff around that is because its an econo cheapo car where they try to cut cost down as much as possible....also your assuming that because our is an etecII and the cavy is an ecotec that they are related.....well you are wrong, and its been argued about multiple times...saying an ecotec is the best swap IMO is like me saying swapping a 350smallblock in the rear would be the best swap....it would but its not feasibly doable and more expensive than something that will work just as well
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Post by Nemasys on Oct 11, 2006 15:54:22 GMT -5
Hmm.. A GM Ecotec over an Opel / Vauxhaul / Lotus based engine... You decide
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Post by khan4rtist on Oct 11, 2006 21:22:34 GMT -5
IMO your opinion about the ecotec being the best swap is based on blurred facts.....anything you swap into the aveo you are going to want be opel or opel based even if its something in a daewoo...plus its not the drvietrain that is bad, its the other stuff around that is because its an econo cheapo car where they try to cut cost down as much as possible....also your assuming that because our is an etecII and the cavy is an ecotec that they are related.....well you are wrong, and its been argued about multiple times...saying an ecotec is the best swap IMO is like me saying swapping a 350smallblock in the rear would be the best swap....it would but its not feasibly doable and more expensive than something that will work just as well i know for a fact that the etec II is no way related to the ecotec and i never mentioned that they are related, but what im saying is that the ecotec is a very reliable engine with its only weak point being the connecting rods, the rest is able to handle 500 hp. that would be an ideal swap
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Post by AveoSam on Oct 11, 2006 21:49:09 GMT -5
since you going for a custom setup up id go for the lightest engine i could find that can put out around 250whp...even that might be too much for this lightweight fwd car...
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Post by khan4rtist on Oct 12, 2006 0:15:38 GMT -5
i think its pretty light, its just a 2.2, not too much bigger than the 1.6 the diffrence is the bore size not the acutal demensions of the engine.
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Post by precisionboost on Oct 14, 2006 12:11:43 GMT -5
Oh boy.... your really going to love talking to me. I will try not to jump all over this... Ok.... first off.... ECOTEC is used on three different types of engines..... two aluminum block and one iron block. There is the EURO aluminum ECOTEC, the American aluminium ECOTEC and the EURO Iron ECOTEC. The 2.0L and 2.2L Daewoo engines are not manufactured by Daewoo.... they are manufactured in Port Melbourn Australia in a Holden engine plant. They can be found in Vauxhall, Opel, Holden, Isuzu, Daewoo and even Honda vehicles (honda passport used the iron block 2.2L for a few years) The 1.6L Iron block engines found in the Aveo ( AKA Daewoo Kalos)...... yes.... your Chev Aveo is actually a rebadged Daewoo Kalos is actually made by Daewoo in Korea. It is a copy of the Opel/Vauxhall/Holden X16XE engine. Both the 2.0L and 1.6L are extreemly common throughout the world...... I would compare them to the Chev 350 and 305..... they are everywhere.... and they've been in use for about 20 years. The 2.0L and 1.6L are two of the most reliable engines GM has ever produced. Overall with all the engine variants..... the number of iron block 1.6L and 2.0L probably outnumber the American ECOTEC by a factor of 1000:1...... which is to say that there are probably a thousand of these 2.0L/1.6L for every american ECOTEC. Having said that......... YES ..... the American ECOTEC engine is a great engine..... it's capable of very high power levels and it has a great aftermarket in the USA. BUT..... it won't fit into your Aveo unless you spend a pile of money. Now..... the transmission in the Aveo is a Getrag transmission.... it's name is "D16" and it's simply a hydraulic clutch actuated version of the European F16 The F16 is perhaps the most common transmission GM made.... it powered everything from 1.2L to 2.0L engines The F16 is a dependable tranny that is rated for 160Nm of torque.... and is well known to handle as much as 240lbft of torque (at the wheels) without blowing into a million pieces. I know this for a fact because my friend used an F16 transmission in his turbocharged Pontiac for several years and it held together just fine. He has moved to the F20 to get a better gear ratio. The F20 is also very very common throughout the rest of the world... and the D20 can be found in the Suzuki Fornenza (AKA Daewoo Nubira ) and the Suzuki Reno (AKA Daewoo Lacetti ) So in closing.... I have a pile of knowledge.....and your statement of " i know for a fact that the etec II is no way related to the ecotec" is only half true. The EtecII engine is known as an "ECOTEC" in Europe. I understand that your saying it's not related to the American aluminum block Ecotec..... and you would be right..... but you might be better off stating something like "the EtecII is not related to the Cobalt's Ecotec engine" Finally..... the "iron block Ecotec" found in Daewoo vehicles is not a bad engine...... go to the following link and look around..... you will find that this company sells an "off the shelf" 750PS (746hp) iron block 2.0L. (please note it's in german... use altavista babelfish to translate and find your way around ) www.vmax.de
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Post by precisionboost on Oct 14, 2006 12:28:54 GMT -5
With regards to your comment on the connnecting rods...... I have a destroyed set of American ECOTEC rods/pistons in my garage..... they are smaller than the 1.6L Aveo rods!! Before claming that everything in the American Ecotec is good for 500hp (except rods) perhaps you should do some research (which is my specialty).... I've spent about 300 hours looking into the American Ecotec..... as I was tempted to use it in a drag car I am building..... but in the end.... I decided to stay with the iron block Euro Ecotec.... my end goal is 800whp. The fact is that the "rest" of the engine can not sustain 500hp for more than a few passes down the drag strip without significant modifcations. The Ecotec pistons are weak.... and the compression is too high..... they would also need to be changed out for forged low compression pistions way before 500hp For you.... and all others interested... www.year2032.com/ecotec.htmThe chart shows a nice progress report of when they changed out parts. If you want to make 250whp.... no problem..... use the stock engine.... but anything above that... expect to be replacing your engine. For the record..... the iron block 2.0L is capable of 250whp on stock internals as well ( come over to www.daewootech.com should you wish to see some Daewoo iron block ecotec engines running numbers up in the 250hp range.... we even have one fellow using stock parts from one iron block ecotec with a daewoo head making 307whp
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Post by khan4rtist on Oct 14, 2006 23:48:28 GMT -5
ok ok aside from getting forum raped, specifically for you guys that like to just poke at my post for every single little detail, looking for the slightest flaw in the way i sentenced. i was talking about the AMERICAN 2.2 ECOTEC found in most cobalts, cavaliers and every other 4 cyl gm car. and i dont believe the aveo had a getrag transmission, 1st of all it would say in the brochure and 2nd of all the gears would be PRECICELY synchronized,even reverse, in which the aveo is not, and its a cheap transmission the aveo has, i broke one already before the cars first 3000 miles and my replacement transmission is now starting to grind every other time i shift into 2nd and 3rd gear....a sign that its not very well synchronized, my cavalier never did that and i had that puppy for a cool minute. and no im not claiming that i know my stuff, but im just talking about experience and things i have read.
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Post by Nemasys on Oct 15, 2006 2:14:59 GMT -5
My 3rd gear grinds when i shift from 2nd at high rev, synchro is screwed up, i would tend to agree that the tranny is not that good, as far as if its a getrag or not i wouldnt know, but i would tend to beleive chris, he knows his stuff!
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Post by jasoto on Oct 15, 2006 7:21:53 GMT -5
Hummm...don't compare our cars with Cavaliers... Our cars could be somewhat cheaply made but look at a Cavalier interior...they just need a Rubbermaid label. The only thing we could consider as a weak point in our cars is the timing belt issue and if taking an eye on it no problem.
I one used a 05 Cavalier LS (company car) and the only good thing it had is that the engine's is relatively powerful. Other than that it was one of the worst cars I ever used,,cramped interior...awful seats...and reliability was really subpar; the company have to trade it within a year due to many mech issues. A real dog; remember they were born when dirt was created...
Other than that, I respect Chris for it knowledge and willingness to get things done out of ordinary...the easiest thing would be to buy a "Honduh" and be like everyone else. Look at Daewootech...our Woos have the potential...just release it.
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Post by mtlswift on Oct 15, 2006 9:35:16 GMT -5
and i dont believe the aveo had a getrag transmission. Of course it doesn't... not that getrags are that good either though. Cooper Minis use getrag and there has been a lot of problems with them too, esp the 6 speeds.
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Post by exodus on Oct 15, 2006 18:38:12 GMT -5
My girlfriend learned to drive a standard transmission with our aveo. The transmission shifts just fine. Neither of us baby it. I don't think you guys know what you are doing.
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Post by khan4rtist on Oct 15, 2006 22:36:16 GMT -5
Hummm...don't compare our cars with Cavaliers... Our cars could be somewhat cheaply made but look at a Cavalier interior...they just need a Rubbermaid label. The only thing we could consider as a weak point in our cars is the timing belt issue and if taking an eye on it no problem. I one used a 05 Cavalier LS (company car) and the only good thing it had is that the engine's is relatively powerful. Other than that it was one of the worst cars I ever used,,cramped interior...awful seats...and reliability was really subpar; the company have to trade it within a year due to many mech issues. A real dog; remember they were born when dirt was created... Other than that, I respect Chris for it knowledge and willingness to get things done out of ordinary...the easiest thing would be to buy a "Honduh" and be like everyone else. Look at Daewootech...our Woos have the potential...just release it. the interior didnt bother me at all, it did its job and thats all i cared about....
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Post by AveoSam on Oct 15, 2006 22:36:45 GMT -5
lmao
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