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Post by muffinman on May 1, 2006 3:01:20 GMT -5
I can't find anyone on this board or Car Domain who has this intake, or the snorkel - which might be the coolest thing I've ever seen in that embarassing way. Chevrolet Aveo Secret Weapon Intake 04-up - $162.xx www.americanhomeoutlet.com/index.php?main_page=product_info¤cy=USD&products_id=121101Ram Air adapter kit - $43.xx www.americanhomeoutlet.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4767_4768_12520&products_id=121651Now, I would have been the first to say that this is one of the most gimmicky sounding things I've ever heard of, but reviews at other sites are pretty positive. (for other cars) As tempted as I am to buy Aveo Sam's CAI, I don't know if I can resist this thing. So here are my questions: (cut and pasted from the email I sent Weapon R) 1. Do you have a dyno chart of the power increase? 2. Is this intake effective with an automatic transmission? (do you have a dyno with an auto transmission?) 3. I'd like to order the ram air kit also, but where would you suggest that I mount the intake? 4. Even though your site says they are compatible, could you please confirm that the Secret Weapon intake works with the Ram Air Kit (because the Ram Air Kit specifically mentions the Dragon Intake system). 5. How much power can be gained from the ram air kit vs. just the intake? (Dyno?) 6. How does the storm shield impact power? Is it a problem to drive with it in? Kike - if you are around, did you install your intake yet? Also, to emphasize #2 above, am I (or more accurately, my gf) going to get screwed putting this on a car with an automatic? Anyone know a good place in LA to dyno a car? I'm thinking this might be worth it.
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Post by justanotheruser on May 1, 2006 11:47:46 GMT -5
For $162 it's shucks near the same price as AveoSam's kit. I thought that a CAI wasn't produced for this car?
What exactly is the difference between this intake and a CAI?
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Post by AveoSam on May 1, 2006 14:31:54 GMT -5
one difference is that the filter for the ram air kit stays in the engine bay while the CAI puts the filter in the fender well...now i dont know if the cover with the ram air kit completely covers the filter so that no hot air from the engine bay can leak into the filter.....now my question is where does the come from if the storm sheild is covers the entrance to the plastic hose? I also think that this design would actually have more of a chance of bringing water and dirt twards the filter and into the engine. Y do i think this....well because say that your out and about and dont have the storm shudder thing and it starts to rain or it rained that day before and you hit a puddle...with the ram air kit, all the water is funneled into the plactic tubing(and even with the foam to protect it, it could get soaked and water would pass through) and the plastic tubing provides a direct part to your filter...... now with my kit, the filter sits up pretty high in the wheel well(I have to get a picture up sometime) so that if water was splashed into the wheel well, it would be harder it to reach the filter because there is not a direct path to the filter and the water would land at the bottom and drain out....let my try and give you a visual or example to work with....say your the engine and you sucking in air is like the intake sucking air into the engine....now if you used a straw to suck in the air(this would be the piping of you intake, and in the case of the raim air the plastic tube would be part of the piping and be symbolized by the straw)...now with the ram air, it would be in direct contact where the water could be coming in...so that would be like having a half a cup of water and having the straw right ontop of the surface of the water, so if you sucked in like the engine through the straw you would draw up water into the intake......now with my CAI, the intake is not in direct contact where the water could be coming in and has a large area inbetween the intake and where the water comes in.....so that would be like have the same half a cup of water but having the straw backed up to the brim of the cup, so if you sucked with the same force as before it would be pretty shucks hard to suck some water into that straw.....now if you carry the storm cover everytime and block off the ram air when it rains or when ever u could hit a puddle, then it wouldnt get water into the plastic tubing, but then where would the cold air come from, so you would end up drawing in warm air everytime it rained or you thought u could hit a puddle.....also my final word is....another over priced item....you get a freaking peice of plastic that i use on my house gutter drains for 45 dollars on top of the 162 for the tiny short ram intake! plus Ive use that plastic tubing in my original CAI to connect the pipes before i could find silicone connectors and it melted!
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Post by justanotheruser on May 1, 2006 15:46:26 GMT -5
Wow, that's quite the response! Don't worry AveoSam, I wasn't questioning the quality of your CAI! In fact, I'm glad someone came up with a working model that we can use since the corporations are mostly ignoring us.
What you're saying is that the CAI intake sits in the fender and if water were to splash up, it would just drip back down onto the tire?
Besides, for that price, I sure don't want to be opening the hood and putting some stupid cover on every time I thought it would rain. Especially in my city, it can be 30 degrees and sunny at 9am, but by 10 its overcast and raining buckets.
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Post by AveoSam on May 1, 2006 16:23:21 GMT -5
well im saying my cai sits up higher in the wheel well then most CAI Ive seen if water was some how splashed either through the little cracks where the wheel well covers meet or in the inlet that allows air into the fender well through the bumper, which is where the stock fogs are or if u dont have those there are covers over it (which u can take out or drill holes in the pattern to allow air to ram in), it would have to almost slash all the way to the top to get to the filter otherwise itll come in the wheel well and just lands at the bottom and drains out........Im trying not to base this on the fact that I want to sell my kit but based on the facts and how things would theorectically happen using common logic....personally Ive driven in tons of rain storms and Ive even hit a huge pothole filled with water on that side(almost pulled the steering wheel right out of my hand and cause me to veer off the road) and i still have not had the water get to my filter and give me problems......my problem is dust because I live down a dirt road so dust always gets in there, but it usually fall to the bottom, but the filter can easily be blown off if you take the wheel well off....i mean it was get just as dirty in the engine bay becasue my engine is cover in dust. it also sucks that this is probably one of the only companies that is selling a specific kit so they think they have a monopoly on the car so they feel that they can charge these outrageous prices for these SRI pipes when you can get a full CAI with shipping to anywhere for less than just a SRI kit not shipped....
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Post by AveoSam on May 1, 2006 16:27:02 GMT -5
Wow, that's quite the response! Don't worry AveoSam, I wasn't questioning the quality of your CAI! In fact, I'm glad someone came up with a working model that we can use since the corporations are mostly ignoring us. yea i know that the CAI question was asked like every two secs on here and i kept telling people to make one, but now I am just trying to fill the demand on here for them for a reasonable price that wont make you broke or cause me to lose money....
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Post by aveoike on May 1, 2006 18:09:44 GMT -5
Well for the price I think its a deal. My brother spent $300+ on his Jetta and thats the average for most vehicles. If you offered it before I ordered my parts, I would have bought one. By the way my parts all came in. Final cost was $100 after shipping. works pretty good but not as well as I thought it would.
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Post by AveoSam on May 1, 2006 18:15:30 GMT -5
did u get your tubing pieces from spectre? if so are they really metal or just plastic made to look metal?
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Post by muffinman on May 1, 2006 23:07:19 GMT -5
Here was the response:
"We don't currently have a dyno chart on the Aveo. This intake should be just as effective on an auto as it is on a manual car. The ram air kit is a universal unit, most people mount the scoop in their lower bumper opening. The Secret Weapon is fully compatible with our ram air kit. The storm shield virtually closes off the entire scoop, so you will lose the effectiveness of the ram air kit with it on."
AveoSam - The cover definitely doesn't completely block off the intake, so I don't even know how much ram air there is, BUT for $40 it does make the first $162 I may decide to waste just that much cooler. (and yes, I realize that this might be the most ridiculous thing I ever purchase - not the SRI, but the RAM AIR KIT)
I don't think that this SRI is anything like any of the other intakes on the market right now - I'm not claiming to know whether the Bernoulli effect makes any difference in this environment, but this is definitely not just another ebay intake knockoff.
aveoike - You got your Secret Weapon for $100 after shipping? Where?
Future plans... I've secretly (emphasis on secret) been thinking about adding a hoodscoop (Suzuki Alto Works or Wagon R) and connecting the snorkle to it. Not only would this connect the Aveo a little closer to its Suzuki-cousins, it would be fun to dyno with the snorkle in different places - and I've always liked that little offcenter hoodscoop.
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Post by AveoSam on May 1, 2006 23:49:43 GMT -5
Here was the response: "We don't currently have a dyno chart on the Aveo. This intake should be just as effective on an auto as it is on a manual car. The ram air kit is a universal unit, most people mount the scoop in their lower bumper opening. The Secret Weapon is fully compatible with our ram air kit. The storm shield virtually closes off the entire scoop, so you will lose the effectiveness of the ram air kit with it on." AveoSam - The cover definitely doesn't completely block off the intake, so I don't even know how much ram air there is, BUT for $40 it does make the first $162 I may decide to waste just that much cooler. (and yes, I realize that this might be the most ridiculous thing I ever purchase - not the SRI, but the RAM AIR KIT) I don't think that this SRI is anything like any of the other intakes on the market right now - I'm not claiming to know whether the Bernoulli effect makes any difference in this environment, but this is definitely not just another ebay intake knockoff. aveoike - You got your Secret Weapon for $100 after shipping? Where? Future plans... I've secretly (emphasis on secret) been thinking about adding a hoodscoop (Suzuki Alto Works or Wagon R) and connecting the snorkle to it. Not only would this connect the Aveo a little closer to its Suzuki-cousins, it would be fun to dyno with the snorkle in different places - and I've always liked that little offcenter hoodscoop. so with the cover over the ram air part its just a sri that takes in the warm engine air?
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Post by muffinman on May 2, 2006 0:03:07 GMT -5
It certainly sounds like it - but then again, I live in Los Angeles and I don't think I would have or need the "storm shield" on very often, so it's not that important to me.
As far as whether an SRI is useful or not, plenty of people use them, and like them - and again, people have gotten pretty good results with this piece of a dyno, comparable, or better than a CAI (on other cars).
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Post by Nemasys on May 2, 2006 6:35:54 GMT -5
Ive made my own CAI (its exactly like Sam's) for 10 bux using 3" dryer hose and ducktape lol! Laugh all you want cuz it sure as hell works, the car is faster with that then my old ebay SRI. This is just temporary though until Sam sends me my real CAI Oh and ive driven in pretty bad rainy days when i built it (it rained for 3 days just after i installed it) and no water got anywhere near the filter since like Sam said it sits fairly high in the fenderwell
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Post by muffinman on May 2, 2006 16:24:19 GMT -5
Nemasys - post some pics of that setup!
Weapon R intake isn't an ebay SRI - and I've seen a lot of interesting dynos of it on different cars.
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Post by muffinman on May 3, 2006 0:09:56 GMT -5
Aveosam - do you have any sound clips of your intake?
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Post by Nemasys on May 3, 2006 6:42:08 GMT -5
Haha pics umm haha it looks pretty gheto though lol! If its sunny this weekend ill wash the car and get pics since i also painted my interior in black and red.
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